tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC May 9, 2012 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
>> you do everyday. >> breaking news from the white house. the president this afternoon in an interview with good morni"go americ america"'s robin roberts, telling millions of americans what they have been waiting to hear. >> it is important for me to affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> let's get straight to mike outside the white house. immediate ripples here, michael? >> dylan, officials are saying essentially that the president intended to this all along but will not pretend thatment comment of joe biden, the comment on meet the press, didn't expedite things and move them along more quickly. he planned to do that before the convention, in, of all state, in north carolina in charlotte this summing summer. but the vice president did expedite things. they realize that evolving that president was doing for the last year and a half, sooner or
later, they were going to have to take that position. and you saw the president announce it today. really very interesting series of event dylan that started sunday with the meet the press statement that the advice president said he is comfortable continuing with the president of education. arnie duncan, concurring with that opinion. a cone of silence deaccepteding over the white house after a contentious briefing with jay carney. then the president making this announcement in that broadcast interview just about an hour ago. dylan? >> thank you very much. i want it bring in the mega panel after the bat here. two completely conversations here. one is, the history, if you will, or the historic nature of, a, sitting american president openly saying they do agree with the principles of same-sex marriage. the other issue is the politics of how this president did it.
i want it start with, we seem to be moving away with fr -- closer to having a bigger conversation about this nation's relationship on the state by state and national level on the sanctity of marriage, whether it is -- whatever that means. >> biden outed the issue. which is great. the president has been nudged into making a decision. i with say be the problem one could have it the right decision. >> you say politically the problem. >> it felt like a political decision, an principle decision. this is the problem we have had with the presidency on a number of issues. leadership, is you don't get pushed into making a decision. come out front and argue your case and bring the people with you. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. here he is backed in a corner, i think. he said, you know, yes, should be my person view, it sunound le he is leaving it up to the state to make the decision. it is not a hundred percent clear that he is saying, here is the amendment, i support the
amendment. not something as leader like adds that. >> i think he is give doing as much as he can given the politics. politics are shifting rapidly in the sense that for the first time americans do support gay marriage. in the latest poll that i saw, the element of the base that he will have to ease into this stance. everyone knows the president supported this issue because he supported in 1996, the whole evolution was increasingly untenable. co-have waited, the fact that he didn't, shows some level of leadership. not as much as we wanted to see but there is a level of leadership. >> really, it comes to the eye of every individual, nothing more than matter of opinion at the end of the day on this, is, do you feel that this president has done a good job of navigating politically, a personal opinion that held for a long time into the presidency and in this fashion. has he done it in a way that is
politically beneficial? >> this is where i feel truly like a leg alien from outerspace. i obviously come from the uk. conservative prime minister david cameron said he is for same-sex marriage. but in spite -- some favor of same-sex marriage in spite of being a conservative, but because he is a conservative. that's where i come from. >> and traditionally conservative position is i have no authority to exert myself in your community or your household in such a way, so my conservative opinion is none of my business. >> stay out of the bedroom. i try to come here and see every topic as an outsider and see both sides. on this one, i don't understand why president obama didn't come out earlier and say all this. i don't get what north carolina's decision -- >> how did he come out of the
north carolina referendum. i think it would have had a lot more leadership, a lot more weight. >> i don't think it would have made any difference. the white house issued a statement. it was going to passalong. everyone knew this. i don't think he can change politics over night on this issue. what he will do is change a what the democratic party says about it and over time we will have a much bigger shift in terms of americans policing this issue. in 2016, 2020 and 2024, it won't be controversy like now. if you look at the views of young people, they are 2-1 in favor of gay marriage. >> the issue, however, when you look at this, beyond politics. and really just look at the novelty, the absurdity, if you will, that the country got itself so -- it is like a kite tangled in a tree. we have all these things do deal with but we can't deal with the most conservative positions of
all, which is don't mess with people in their house. what are we doing here. but it speaks to us. we can learn from it in the context of our own culture and underlying principle is a portion of our country, of our population, as you see in polls and primaries and these things, who are very emotional, very provoked, by the sanctity of heterosexual marriage. i'm not saying i believe that. but that is the posture, morally right posture of the bill that they frequently stand upon, which is to protect the sanctity of marriage. there is something called the shadow. where we basically, the thing that you don't like is the thing that you then vilify out away from yourself. i just wonder, to the extent
that people want it outlaw gay marriage, how much is that a shadow. the people that want it get rid of it -- there is just a fear that is unresolved that is basically irrational. >> i think it is much more biblically derived. i think the sanctity of marriage is a relinl outs like way it approach the issue. there is nothing wrong with that but this is a legal question, not a religious question. and the government is not there to adjudicate on religious matters. >> so you look at this as church and state intersect. >> absolutely. >> do you agree with that? >> where the sanctity of marriage. one and two people get divorced. there is no sanctity. and a lot of times, people most furveantly against marriage are the biggest hypocrites. they are outed as themselves gay. >> which is self loathing of that whole shadow. i go ahead imogen. >> i don't have a theatrical background, as we know, and i know gay people that are married. >> hold on, are you suggesting
that theatrical people have a higher pr pensity propensity to be gay? >> absolutely not. but the most serious situations i have known of are gay ones because te have to fight harder. quite frankly everyone need to be evolving and i sit here as an illegal alien from outerspace. >> recent polls get ranked 18th on the list of issues that people care about. a lot of gay couples care most about the economy just like everyone else. the white house want to talk about this, then change the subject and get back to the economy. they don't want it talk about gay marriage. neither does mitt romney for that matter. >> way is joking around earlier about one ever our producers on the show, who originated the show, as a gay man. we were saying, we should have you do the interview.
and he was saying, yeah, i would dot interview, say, thanks for the gay marriage, now are you going to restore capital requirements, what about trade policy, wh what about housing, what about jobs. to what extent is the very welcome relief of this trend politically, coming at also however -- basically crowding out the space for what people of any gender or any persuasion or any age are concerned with, which is the functioning of our economy. >> it's a good disstraks. i don't want it call it a distraction. >> this is also a liability for romney. not that he will lose the pivotal gay equity vote. not that that's what it is. >> i want 196 people to provide all the money, so you want it get that. >> paul singer with the gay republican cause. >> a lot of hedge fund guys are.
>> it is not one that i i think romney can win on. >> we have six months until the election. it it is a great thing that happened today. i've got six months to get back to the important topics. this is an important topic but -- >> if this makes it to election day, i'll be shocked. >> just to tie a ribbon for this political cycle pb at least the conclusion of this particular group, that the -- is there a political benefit or detrimental or is this just a spring detour toward a political election for which this has no -- >> it will be a wash. it can be sensitive in parts of the nf /* /- african-americans community. some younger voters. i think at the end of the day, it is a wash. >> the only place i would disagree slightly is the fact that he was backed into making
the decision might be a political tool. but if you have a stand with it, leave. this is just you feeling like you have no -- >> but for mitt romney who said they support gays and lesbians -- waffling on all sort of decisions. maybe brings them closer together. >> it is was the right thing to do, and about time, frankly. >> amen. >> amen? >> yeah. >> at the end of the day, that is absolutely right. >> we will end this discussion with amen. thank you, mr. president. despite all of the wart in the process, better to move in the direction of equality which certainly did today. and i thinve coming up, we just talked about that news making conversation at the white house this afternoon. next up, a grilling on the hill, tsa's top folks entering tough questions about deeping america safe. we spent a lot of money on it. but are we deploying what we've gone. remember, the cia, not the tsa, foiled the most recent terror
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latest underwear bomb attempt. but that is idle at a warehouse texas and more note notably, it may not be the right equipment. it was bought with our money to the tune $284 million. among the gear, 54 explosive detection and 472 baggage scanners. they are in storage until agents can be properly trained. some were overordered to get cheaper bulk pricing. yes, fun times. oversight committee hearing, the investigators who asked for information were given misleading answers, grilling tsa big wigs. >> are you aware of this sir? >> i'm not aware. >> you're not aware of this? somebody needs to get aware. this is hundreds of millions -- the advance imaging technology was half billion dollar
acquisition of which they bought equipment for which we still don't have people that are trained. somebody needs to see the failures both in acquiring equipment, deploying equipment and making sure equipment is not sitting in a warehouse idle when people are trying to take our lights out. >> joining us now,ed ward coleman and kate. evan, what are we missing some. >> even if this equipment was deployed, would it even work? there's good reason to believe that al qaeda right now is the developing explosive devices which are specifically designed to work their way through the systems. not just the ones in place right now but even the more advanced systems. body scanners, imaging devices. they are specifically developing explosive devices to sneak through. are we deploying technology even before it is out in the airports
it is obsolete? >> and you layer on to that kate, do reporting and see names like michael chernoff and others, former homeland security secretaries behind corporations like rapiscan and others who are locked into government contracts to sell their equipment which gets money for them and us equipment in a warehouse some sm where. meanwhile, obviously, your group flyers rights.org represent the abused masses that tolerate a lot of this, which i suppose everybody is willing to if they feel there is a safety protocol in place. but your thoughts through the perspective of flyers rights when you learn that not only do we have a bunch of equipment we're not using. but even if we do d use it, it is the wrong equipment. we are more interested in buying equipment from someone we know than in creating the correct equipment to solve the problem. >> you got it. i mean, this equipment is 20-year-old technology. it was obsolete when it hit the floors of the airports. the fact that we have a half
billion dollars invested in it is wasteful spending. it never would pick up powder or liquid slurries and we have seen videoes from the nejer lunds that prove 95% of the explosives on one gentleman were not picked up by the rapiscan scanners. they don't do any more than the metal detectors did. >> evan, when you look at chernoff's relationship -- and i don't want it look at him individually, i'm sure there are many others, but he is a great anecdote because of the profile he held at homeland security, his relationship with rapiscan, and hearing deficits, cut money from kids, can't pay for teachers and by the way, everything we are doing is not actually designed to detect explosives. am i missing something? >> i think we have grown too reliant for a problem that i think comes down to
intelligence. the latest plot, how was it stopped? not because an explosive was found at an airport. it was stopped because our cia did good work with partners. i think if you look at most plots that are stopped, it is not in the airport. these machines are picking up people who accidentally leave a gun in their bag or someone who is crazy. they are not picking up the high level terrorist plots. you know, they are not doing harm per se but i don't know that they're exactly doing or putting all that money toward to accomplish. >> right. and two issues, kate, and correlate. first is security as us as individuals as a nation. the second is the intelligence with which we as a group, i mean, the broader use of the word intelligence, not just being informed, but allocating budgets, solving problems and then adaptable budges that the can move in a way that serves our interest. it doesn't feel that that is
obviously where we are at this point. do you need to increase the level of awareness? that's your first goal it make people understand this better. what did you need it make people more aware of how dysfunctional this is so we can care for the problem and ultimately get more of what we all want? >> first of all, i think the tsa needs to tell the truth. and the fact that they kept coming out and saying these scanners might have caught this underwhere bomb, why don't they test it? i challenge them right now, test an underwear bomb and then show us the scans. . and show us whether or not they work. michael chernoff promised rapiscan in 2006 to purchase these machines. clearly there wasn't anything in place to make sure tsa has the employees to run the equipment. but rapiscan would make a heck of a a lot of money for the sale of the machine answers money
went into congress to be appropriated to buy them. when in fact dogs are better detectors of explosives. they probably didn't have a good lobbying firm representing the dogs. secondly, biometric technology is a wonderful way it o do background checks on people and have a low risk group of travellers that can quickly move through security and focus on the people we don't know so much about. >> yeah. i remember in writing "greedy bastards", i found the chernoff rapiscan boone dog el to be one of the best anecdotes to see what unholy alliance in business and politics looks like and the risk it creates for us as a nation as it its most acute. thank you both for your time. and raising all of our awareness. well look into mibyo metrics and dogs, and if they are the best way it keep us safe, we should
do that. thank you both. i will look to more and advise the same no for others. there are two sets of rules. angry stock shareholders. yes. swarming one of america's large est banks. they call themselves the 99% power. remember, the big banks have gotten much larger since the financial crisis as they are now under the direct supervision of the federal reserve. our next guest says he has a simple solution to prevent the next disaster if a bank is too big to fail, he said it should be too big to resist. a heck after slogan. the crevice hyped ro posed bill by congressman brad sherman. congressman, walk us through your pudding. you don't have to convince us
why it is a good idea. educate us a little as to how would you go about doing it with this particular piece of legislation? >> we already have dodd-frank which tasks the fed and other regulators to identify the banks that are so big that if they were to fail it would be a systemic problem for the country. the problem is, what should they do about it? they have the authority under the bill to break them up. but they are unlikely to use that authority. i believe that once you identify an institution as too big to fail, the next question is to ask what every protozoa is able to do. >> historically, wall street had a nice portfolio of banks that employed a hundred people perhaps per bank to work on what was called the syndicate desk. a location where you went to work to reach out to other bankers and other banks it share and distribute risk.
it was a way for banks to be smaller but still work with large clients. there is really in other apparent economic advantage in society to a big bank other than to the bank itself. do you believe that that awareness exists in the u.s. congress at this point in that the only beneficiary of jie apt banks is giant banks? >> i don't know. but i do know that, and frankly i would tend to think not, but the big banks, because they are regarded as too big to fail, they say first look at our balance sheet. maybe we have invested our money wisely, maybe we have good capital. but in addition, loan us money even at a lower rate because we have a safety net that medium size institutions don't have. if we see our self going down, we will call the treasury and say, you better wrap this up.
we are too big to fail. if we fail, we will take the economy with us. >> no bank should be able to call on washington and say that if we don't bail them out, they are going to take the economy with them. >> the primary leverage that big banks have, as you probably know, is that cost of everything from food to energy to basic commodities, soft commodities, corn, wheat, soy, copper, all these centrally dependent assets, not only our country but globally, have price station through an insurance stream on wall street. we are basically perpetuating that by allowing the big banks to sell the insure once no capital. they are a hundred to one levered. still, do you believe people in washington, d.c. that the credit default market is still dark and still 100 to 1.
>> those with swaps on commodities that they don't actually use in their business are selling insurance. and they aught to be regulated insurance companies. you wouldn't allow a company with very little capital to share fire insuresance to everyone in california. like wise a can company with modest capital shouldn't right an unlimited amount to swaps can which are insurance instead of insurance against fire for precipitous decline in the price of a value of mortgage pool. >> do you have any optimism that this issue will be resolved this decade? >> this decade? yes, i have some optimism. i think shows like yours and general public awareness. are the 99% is beginning to wake up. and there's simply no reason for an entity to enjoy a lower cost of capital and to be able to
shift its risk from itself to a country. we should not be held hostage by single bank being able to say they are too big to fail. >> i offer a gigantic here, here, not only from myself, by from the entire audience at this program and i know many folks who have no idea we're talking who agree sewerly with the nature of the conversation. all the west to you congressman. do keep us posted. let us know if we can give you any help. up next, a most important story. monkey business. every human interaction you never understood explained after this.
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there between us and monkeys. >> humans are primate. we share about 95 to 98% of our dna with chimps and other apes. and about 92 to 95% of dna with baboons and other monkeys. and in addition to sharing all this dna, we also live in societies that share a lost similarities. if you take chimps or monkeys, they live in very complex and competitive societies. where if you want to survive or even better, be successful, you have to make friends, watch your back from enemies, make political alliances, help your relatives. you have to deal with the same problems with deal with on a day-to-day basis. >> answer the questions, why do i push the elevator when someone already pushed the button. and why are jen and brad split. and what was the other one some. >> let's start with the other
one. it is true when somebody pushes the button and they ride in t elevator with a stranger, they avoid making eye to eye contact, amo avoid annoying the other person. because we are afraid of being attacked. in monkey language, making eye contact or staring at someone is an attack. so you might subconsciously think it is a dangerous. >> but i think monkeys through feces at each other. where do we hear about monkeys being aggressive. >> well, chimpanzees in zoos but i think they learned it from people, actually. they don't do it in their natural environment. >> good for us. good for us. >> over here. >> so if i'm on a good date,
clearly doesn't happen, still single. so if i'm on a a date, how much of my hair flicking, eye lash fluttering, reaching over to hold hand, how much is that nature of my primate self and how much is that society telling me that if i flick my hair around, he might like me. >> a little bit of both. first of all, not everyone is the same. and secondly, they are different. for example, the elevator, or we encounter strangers and other situations, deal with problems in the workplace, we have predispositions to act in certain ways. in many cases we don't think consciously about our behavior. the behavior is not the product of a conscious choice. we operate on automatic pilot. >> has research made you more confident about human evolution? >> take us to the bottom line, ro fessor. >> we haven't evolved much. >> we have evolved. in some domains, more than others. i'm interested in social
relationships. people with deal with problems that are nothing new. so friends, relatives, enemies, strangers. there is nothing new about the problems that we have to deal with and nothing to dissolutions that we use. that's why there is similarities with other pry mates that deal with the same problems and use the same solutions. >> which means we have a lot of influence in our own individual choices in a given day if we are more aware and conscious as it what actually happens. >> we do have a lot of influence. we have the ability to make conscious decisions. but my argument is that when it comes to social relationships, in many cases we have predisposition that happen and we have to think about it. >> the book "games primates play." there it is. mitt romney weighed in on gay marriage. and the panel's reaction it them after this. i'm really going to miss you.
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romney speaking out against same-sex marriage after president bam obama announcing being in favor. first, what the president said then romney. >> it is important for me to affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> i have the same view on marriage that i had when i was governor and i expressed many times. i believe marriage is a relationship between a man and woman. >> can you tell us what you think same speks couples should be able to enjoy? >> states are able to make decisiones with regards it domestic partnership benefits such as hospital visitation rights, benefits and so forth of various kinds, can be determined state by state. but my view is that marriage itself is a relationship between man and woman. that's my preference. i know others have differing views. this is a sensitive topic as many social issues.
but i have the same view that i have had since running for office. >> interesting to your point. david cameron, conservative, leader of england, considers it a conservative position to say what mitt romney just said which is my opinion is this and what everybody else does is none of my business but we just had mitt romney is this and the unspoken component is my opinion when i'm president not be law of the land which is the veconserve tifr principle. >> david cameron made is very, very clear. that is the conserve tifr leader of the united kingdom and then romney, no big surprise. sure. no big surprise. but at the same time it makes me feel like an illegal alien from outerspace, as i said. >> romney just said something that wasn't true. he says i've been against gay marriage my entire political life np in 149 when he ran for
senate in massachusetts he said he would be to the left of ted kennedy on the issue of gay marriage. sew flip-flopped on this issue. it is not surprising he flip-flopped, because he flip-flopped on virtually everything. but right now he backed himself into a corner. he has nothing to say but i'm geps this. >> how much is the fact that we have twisted our knickers in such a bunch that what it means to be a conservative is nothing to do with the interpretations of whatever that means. whatever what it means to be a liberal, that's in everybody's minds. the way we have manipulated word, creation and politics has conservatives that want it control your bedroom -- >> let's parcel out what he said. he basically said he doesn't believe in it. but he did say he left open the idea that state have the right it make the decision. which is a very conservative opinion in a view on -- >> sure. it goes to who decides. >> so it is a nuance to -- actually i think more nuance than perhaps people might think. >> i saw that though.
it may be he is trying to leave open the idea that i don't believe -- don't forget, positions change as we speak about earlier. you know, his father was born in mexico. why was his father born in mexico? because back in the day, the law of the land was man and woman was marriage. but before that, remember george romney and his people came from man and woman and woman and woman. and when they decided to become a state, utah, they banished polygamy. the family moved to mexico. it all changes. it all evolves. i think he is being more nuance than i expected. >> i can see that. i can see that at same time. this is -- you know. up next, m matt sea gal, looking for work regardless of your sexualor orientation. matt want it help you find a job. [ man ] when i went to get my first new car,
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service volunteering and community engagement as an interim solution that has tremendous potential, caring benefits in our communities and for individuals. he points out not only the economic benefits but what it means for the generation that is graduating. our times matt seagull is with us. give me your pitch. i'm graduating from college, i don't know what to do, and you have injury scheme. lay it on me. >> there is a successful program called americorps. under the kennedy serve america act that passed in 2009, 250,000 positions that are supposed to be funded to give people jobs in service areas that ironically need filling despite massive youth unemployment like nursing, teaching, disaster relief, energy rhett tro fitting, et cetera. >> the community jobs we depend on the most, we are lacking. and individuals who are most prepare to take those jobs are
in abundance. >> exactly. but only 87,000 position of -- >> whose money? >> government mon. i say we double down and go for a million jobs to put the americans on offense, big and bold. when you are trying to sell a jobs plan that is contingent upon a payroll tax cut, difficult to message to young people and get them to understand how it will stimulate confidence, you need something, service is a job. it pays. a form of student loan repayment. >> what are the jobs? you got me. i don't have a job. what kind of job you got for me? >> habitat for humanity. >> to build houseses that need houses. >> yes. >> what else? >> senior services. going to joplin, missouri. >> disaster relief. >> the government would pay me
through americorps to do this. >> would pay you through amer could to do this. on top of it, it is a an ingestment in young people. look at the money we spend on young people in prisons. look at the money we spend on young people in welfare. why not invest in them in productivity. they get their first job, acquire work force training skills so they have soft skills and hard skills to emerge from the amer can corps programs and be attractive to employers to so the employers can say, i want it hire people who served their country and it is a way of paying for college. this program paul ryan planned it cut entirely. i'm saying we need to go for a million. we have a petition -- >> yes. so the rebuttal to you would be the government money is spent funds, that's special interest. young people who want jobs are nothing more matt than a special interest. >> yeah. >> if i understand you correctly, and i think you
presented the case very effectively, you say that there's a huge difference between investing in -- -- investing money to hire young people who help care for our community and expenditure of money to perpetuate our young people so we can deal with them later. >> we spend so much money merely keeping people sustainable, so that they can exist without being a productive contributing force in society. this program enablees a benefit to the individual because they are gaining with work force experience and a benefit to the community because they are solving a problem. whether it is a problem of senior citizens who need elderly care or problems because after natural disave the. >> your favorite even american historical oor global historical model for a program. >> gordon brown talked about a martial plan. he said we have a global youth unemployment bond in this country. and not just in america. in spain it is worse. and in a lot of european
countries. and the law, with france going socialist to see if they want more work force programs. i think what you need is massive government investment. coupled with an entrepreneurial revolution. both of which can happen from my generation so you have private sector investment coupled with nonprofit invest many to help solve community pro problems and it make our generation not living at home with no job, 45, 50, 60,000 in debt and essentially relying on the state for more aid and unemployment insurance. >> it is stunningly rational. i'm certain we will be able to get it done. i'm not sure when. >> we need a million signatures. tell your viewers to go. >> listen. you heard the man's pitch. >> look into the camera. >> he is mer can's new uncle sam. >> yeah. >> sign up america's children need jobs. they are trying to get a million vote on the petition. very simple, a job of course is not a way it make money. a job is a way you solve a problem and matt segal believes that he has put the secret
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story. and imogen is back with the daily rant. hi, imogen. >> thank you, dylan. we know that obesity is a public healthcare catastrophe in america. but there is another side of extreme. anorexia, bulimia. 10 million americans have an eating disorder. nearly half of all-americans personally know someone with one, and they hit young women hardest. 95% of those who have eating disorders are between ages of 12 and 25. by a ratio of 10 to 1, female. some a 50 to 60% of teenage american girls believe they are overweight. yet only 15 to 20% of them actually are overweight. there is known to be a link between eating disorders in young girls and what they see in the media. nags magazines have upheld an unrealistic study of beauty. they are notorious for the buck
passing on the issue. then next week, something extraordinary happened. vogue magazine, the stand-up bearer of fashion made a stand. the 19 editors of vogue magazine around the world recognize that fashion models everyone is as role models for many women. they wanted to make a commitment to the well-being of their readers. to that end theed editors make a ground breaking six point pack. they will no longer use images of underweight and underage models. which in the case of international editions vogue did frequently. they vow to be ambassadors for the message of healthy body image. what vogue does matters. vogue is the world's fashion bible. top editor of style. ultimate trend center. if vogue is leading the way, others follow. other magazines, fashion friend and designers will be on board. vogue's move was not completely
out of blue. the health of models has been an issue in recent years. the fashion organization in italy and span banned cat walk models that fall below a certain body mass index level. earlier this year, israel's government passed anti-skinny model law. they question its impact, claiming it is too vague. that it puts much of the responsibility on casting agent, designers. the controversial issue of photo shopping, retouching is not touched. but the pact is a start. eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness. vogue has acknowledge edit role in creating unhealthy ideals for women and girls. the magazine has recently showcased women with more realistic bodies. adell was on its march cover. long may it continue. dylan? >> very well presented imogen. it will be interesting to see. i do believe that culture dictates what